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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122652-new%20members/topic/why%20zulip/near/228416356" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> azzamsa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip.html#228416356">(Mar 02 2021 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>I just know that some rust teams are on Zulip.<br>
It is my first time reading what Zulip was.</p>
<p>After reading <a href="https://zulip.com/why-zulip/">why zulip</a>. I can not agree more. Such difficult to track busy channel, seniors don't read large channels, remote workers can't participate, and prefer to use DM.</p>
<p>I can relate to all of these. But this is my first time with Zulip (never heard of it before). Let's see if it is better.</p>
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<p>By the way, I try to find the initial announcement of rust teams moving to Zulip and Discord. Some of them are:</p>
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<li><a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust-clippy/issues/5943">Clippy teams</a></li>
<li><a href="https://internals.rust-lang.org/t/the-library-team-is-moving-from-irc-to-zulip/11598">Library teams</a></li>
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<p>I am curious what teams moved to Zulip first. and how come other teams decide to use another platform. Is each rust team has it is own rules?</p>
<p>I mean, is there no such thing as central government? such a vote so that every team uses the same platform.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122652-new%20members/topic/why%20zulip/near/228416928" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip.html#228416928">(Mar 02 2021 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yes, each team decides where it wants to have communications. No, there is no central government - there is the RFCs repo for major changes to the language, but it doesn't govern "small" or internal things like what platform to use. The way each team makes decisions is also up to them - T-compiler mostly uses MCPs or weekly meetings, while T-rustdoc uses FCPs a lot more because we don't have meetings.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122652-new%20members/topic/why%20zulip/near/228421434" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> azzamsa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip.html#228421434">(Mar 02 2021 at 14:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>Oh, I see. Appreciate.</p>
<p>Do you know what is the biggest reason for foo teams to choose Zulip, and the other teams prefer Discord?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122652-new%20members/topic/why%20zulip/near/228421601" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip.html#228421601">(Mar 02 2021 at 14:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>most of the teams that use discord find the zulip interface too cluttered <span aria-label="laughing" class="emoji emoji-1f606" role="img" title="laughing">:laughing:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122652-new%20members/topic/why%20zulip/near/228421627" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip.html#228421627">(Mar 02 2021 at 14:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>or they don't have many members and it doesn't seem worth the time to switch</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122652-new%20members/topic/why%20zulip/near/228421862" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Michael Forster <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip.html#228421862">(Mar 02 2021 at 14:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>It took me some time to get the hang of Zulip, but I must say that I think it's much better than Discord.  Particularly also for the people who are not on the team and just want to follow along.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122652-new%20members/topic/why%20zulip/near/228421875" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> azzamsa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip.html#228421875">(Mar 02 2021 at 14:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah, for some people. Zulip interface is very basic :). It is my first time using it.</p>
<p>But I love it because it is open source.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122652-new%20members/topic/why%20zulip/near/228422361" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> azzamsa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip.html#228422361">(Mar 02 2021 at 14:53)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="232545">Joshua Nelson</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip/near/228421627">said</a>:</p>
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<p>or they don't have many members and it doesn't seem worth the time to switch</p>
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<p>I see many user-facing teams are on Discrod: documentation,  community. on the other hand library teams on Zulip.</p>
<p>It's my first time using Zulip. But I love the <code>topics</code> right away.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122652-new%20members/topic/why%20zulip/near/228422549" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> oliver <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip.html#228422549">(Mar 02 2021 at 14:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>documentation isn't on Discord anymore</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122652-new%20members/topic/why%20zulip/near/228422609" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> oliver <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip.html#228422609">(Mar 02 2021 at 14:55)</a>:</h4>
<p><a class="stream" data-stream-id="237824" href="/#narrow/stream/237824-t-lang.2Fdoc">#t-lang/doc</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122652-new%20members/topic/why%20zulip/near/228422735" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> azzamsa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip.html#228422735">(Mar 02 2021 at 14:55)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="368117">Michael Forster</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip/near/228421862">said</a>:</p>
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<p>It took me some time to get the hang of Zulip, but I must say that I think it's much better than Discord.  Particularly also for the people who are not on the team and just want to follow along.</p>
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<p>You means, to read discord chats user need to be invited, but we can read Zulip chat without registering</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122652-new%20members/topic/why%20zulip/near/228422891" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> azzamsa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip.html#228422891">(Mar 02 2021 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="281739">oliver</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip/near/228422549">said</a>:</p>
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<p>documentation isn't on Discord anymore</p>
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<p>It news to me.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122652-new%20members/topic/why%20zulip/near/228423011" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> oliver <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip.html#228423011">(Mar 02 2021 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>where did you obtain the outdated information?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122652-new%20members/topic/why%20zulip/near/228423195" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Mario Carneiro <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip.html#228423195">(Mar 02 2021 at 14:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>Threading is really important for high traffic instances. I think this zulip gets around 500 messages a day</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122652-new%20members/topic/why%20zulip/near/228423290" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> azzamsa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip.html#228423290">(Mar 02 2021 at 14:59)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="281739">oliver</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip/near/228423011">said</a>:</p>
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<p>where did you obtain the outdated information?</p>
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<p>I just mention every teams I see in Discord</p>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122652-new%20members/topic/why%20zulip/near/228423681" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Yuki Okushi <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip.html#228423681">(Mar 02 2021 at 15:01)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="281739">oliver</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip/near/228422609">said</a>:</p>
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<p><a class="stream" data-stream-id="237824" href="/#narrow/stream/237824-t-lang.2Fdoc">#t-lang/doc</a></p>
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<p>it's not _documentation team_ but it's for (mainly) lang-related docs such as the reference or the nomicon IIUC</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122652-new%20members/topic/why%20zulip/near/228424218" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Michael Forster <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip.html#228424218">(Mar 02 2021 at 15:03)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="393902">azzamsa</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip/near/228422735">said</a>:</p>
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<p>You means, to read discord chats user need to be invited, but we can read Zulip chat without registering</p>
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<p>No, I am referring to the threading, which makes it possible to follow many groups with low intensity.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122652-new%20members/topic/why%20zulip/near/228424553" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> azzamsa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip.html#228424553">(Mar 02 2021 at 15:05)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="368117">Michael Forster</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip/near/228424218">said</a>:</p>
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<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="393902">azzamsa</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip/near/228422735">said</a>:</p>
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<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="368117">Michael Forster</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip/near/228421862">said</a>:</p>
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<p>It took me some time to get the hang of Zulip, but I must say that I think it's much better than Discord.  Particularly also for the people who are not on the team and just want to follow along.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>You means, to read discord chats user need to be invited, but we can read Zulip chat without registering</p>
</blockquote>
<p>No, I am referring to the threading, which makes it possible to follow many groups with low intensity.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>You mean <code>threading</code> is <code>Zulip topics</code> ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122652-new%20members/topic/why%20zulip/near/228424746" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> azzamsa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip.html#228424746">(Mar 02 2021 at 15:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>Or a style like this reply</p>
<p><a href="/user_uploads/4715/5RydWnyrigI4Td4DGVuwgwPA/image.png">image.png</a></p>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122652-new%20members/topic/why%20zulip/near/228424869" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Michael Forster <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip.html#228424869">(Mar 02 2021 at 15:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>Please don't make fun of me. I'm still learning</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122652-new%20members/topic/why%20zulip/near/228425045" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> azzamsa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip.html#228425045">(Mar 02 2021 at 15:08)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="368117">Michael Forster</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip/near/228424869">said</a>:</p>
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<p>Please don't make fun of me. I'm still learning</p>
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<p>No no, I am trying to get your word. Sorry, English is not my first language</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122652-new%20members/topic/why%20zulip/near/228425528" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Michael Forster <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip.html#228425528">(Mar 02 2021 at 15:11)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="393902">azzamsa</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip/near/228425045">said</a>:</p>
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<p>No no, I am trying to get your word. Sorry, English is not my first language</p>
</blockquote>
<p>What I mean is that Zulip makes it feasible to follow many streams and many topics without getting overwhelmed.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122652-new%20members/topic/why%20zulip/near/228425790" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> azzamsa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip.html#228425790">(Mar 02 2021 at 15:12)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="368117">Michael Forster</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip/near/228425528">said</a>:</p>
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<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="393902">azzamsa</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip/near/228425045">said</a>:</p>
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<p>No no, I am trying to get your word. Sorry, English is not my first language</p>
</blockquote>
<p>What I mean is that Zulip makes it feasible to follow many streams and many topics without getting overwhelmed.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Oooh.</p>
<p>Yes, I fell in love with the topic the first time I land in Zulip. Sad I never heard of Zulip before.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122652-new%20members/topic/why%20zulip/near/228426164" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> oliver <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip.html#228426164">(Mar 02 2021 at 15:14)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="217081">Yuki Okushi</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip/near/228423681">said</a>:</p>
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<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="281739">oliver</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip/near/228422609">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><a class="stream" data-stream-id="237824" href="/#narrow/stream/237824-t-lang.2Fdoc">#t-lang/doc</a></p>
</blockquote>
<p>it's not _documentation team_ but it's for (mainly) lang-related docs such as the reference or the nomicon IIUC</p>
</blockquote>
<p>where does the documentation team meet? Discord?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122652-new%20members/topic/why%20zulip/near/228431759" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip.html#228431759">(Mar 02 2021 at 15:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>There is no documentation team really</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122652-new%20members/topic/why%20zulip/near/228432005" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip.html#228432005">(Mar 02 2021 at 15:47)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/team/pull/487">https://github.com/rust-lang/team/pull/487</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/122652-new%20members/topic/why%20zulip/near/228435355" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> oliver <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/122652-new-members/topic/why.20zulip.html#228435355">(Mar 02 2021 at 16:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes this is exactly what I was recalling</p>



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